jonesy2 says...

what sort of compensation do the brumbies get? is the result going to be changed? it should be, that would be less of a joke than the refereeing of jonker. the reffing in these games (seems to always be the bulls) is very very concerning i would hate to think anything untoward is going on. bottom line, SA rugby is a joke in all departments. shape up

Posted 16:47 30th April 2012

Ramage says...

Why shouldn't a referee have an important fact that influences a game spoken about. We have that happening here every week often uninformed criticism and sometimes completely wrong. It depends when this mistake is made in terms of the timing within the game. First few minutes we tend to forget last few minutes its a major mistake. People have only chosen to castigate Bray because he was honest and said it was a mistake. He also went on to say that he was more than happy about the way Jonker controlled the game. This praises Jonker for his overall control despite a high penalty count against the Brumbies. The difference is that there has not been a flood of letters about how Jonker is a cheat or favoured the Bulls and this has been confirmed by Bray from the assessment of Jonker's game. I don't believe Jonker cheated he felt, or was advised by his assistant that it wasn't a knock on and called out play on. By that time players had stopped and there was the problem. The law doesn't allow him to call back the players and set a scrum. He has been informed it was a mistake but too many passes are called forward which I feel are not or knock ons that drop straight down or go backward. I could be wrong that is why I never call refs cheats and having refereed myself I know enough about position on to the field to know you don't guess even if you end up looking an idiot.

@Carpelone get over Bryce Lawrence its gone now and it has nothing to do with what Bray is saying. If you find it hard to understand that I will spell it out Bray speaks for Sanzar not for the IRB. So he has no right to speak about Lawrence and his performance in the RWC. Bray is carrying out the SANZA edict that referees will be made more accountable you may not like it but it is what was decided.

@wallaroo I will reply to those who call refs cheats as it is non ending so sorry if you don't like it.

Posted 07:35 28th April 2012

BokAvenger says...

@Turboboy: does your mom know you're using up here bandwidth? Can't knock the ball on in your own in-goal area...Yes, yes mate. Just like Richie McCaw can't be penalised when he's lying at the base of the opposition's ruck with his hands, arms and legs wrapped around the ball.

Posted 16:26 27th April 2012

turboboy says...

Bok Avenger said

"Bray has nothing to say about the Brumbies knockon behind their own goal line in the last 5 mints which wasn't blown either". The field of play where knock on's can be ruled as knock on's and this does not include the in goal areas. The field of play is between the side lines and the goal lines. Hence why video officials cannot rule on events in the field of play. You cannot knock the ball on in your in goal area unless it rolls into the field of play.

Personally I think SA produces some great referees and have officiated brilliantly in some pretty tense games. Referees the world over only get better by doing their job and learning all the time. Lets not forget that these guys have to be 100% knowledgeable of a pretty extensive rule book.

Everybody gets decisions wrong and maybe he had a shocker of a game but unless we want games officiated like american football with 7 on field officials and it taking 3 hrs just give it a rest - have a bleat but don't let it ruin your day.

Posted 13:39 27th April 2012

Ramage says...

@Rognavald you take the prize for the most stupid post on this subject. You ask where were SANZAR in the World Cup matches? Get a grip the answer to that is nowhere. They were nowhere to be seen. Why? because it was not their tournament.They had no jurisdiction over what happened at the RWC which is an IRB controlled event.

Do you have any idea of what you are talking about? No just the conspiracy theory you have in your head that the world is out to get South Africa especially in rugby. Oh please give it a rest and next time don't post rubbish that shows up your ignorance.

Posted 12:19 27th April 2012

Ramage says...

The pass was forward and a mistake was made and it cost the Brumbies the game. Jake White a South African queried the difficulties of understanding where Marius Jonker a South African referee was coming from with his penalties as he wondered why the Bulls heavily penalised in other games got off in this .White wanted to fully understand so he could work with his team to eliminate them.

Good coaching. Bray responded, but as usual the sensational has been picked out of the reply and made a lot of about the knock on. Some people on here still cant accept that it was a knock on yet here Sanzar referees through Bray the head are saying it was. Oh hang on lets query the nationality of the chief referee of Sanzar. As Bray is a NZer he must be a cheat, incompetent or down right wrong according to some Saffas who cant accept Jonker and his assistants got it wrong.

Then the bleating starts Trust a NZer to pick on the poor SA referee trust a NZer to pick up a SA referee as he never complains about these NZ referees. Totally ignoring the fact that earlier in the season Bray let everyone know that Keith Brown a kiwi referee got a decision he made in a game completely wrong and he was told about it and taken through the reasons why. Isnt it funny how the Saffa apologists come out in force and defend their own referees and incompetents like Legoate and Muewesen both failed and sacked Super Rugby referees yet continue to harp on about alleged mistakes made by other nations referees. The reason that some referees are not criticised for the alleged mistakes is because they weren't mistake. We can't expect the bleaters to accept that. Take note Ruggamafaka Bray was asked to comment by Jake White he did not just pick it out and even if he did he had already admonished Brown for his mistake so don't give me this whining saffa line he is picking on us.What a sad lot some of you are.

Posted 11:42 27th April 2012

nefari says...

@jonathan

Its the second time, the other crucial error by a ref at loftus this year was steve walsh. Don't know what incident your referring to with the crusaders game? The white card?

Posted 10:43 27th April 2012

sandal says...

@ RuggaMafaka

You say: ""You people are honoustly overestimating your own intelligence and underestimating other's..""

Yeah.

Posted 08:05 27th April 2012

rognvald says...

And where was Sanzar in the world cup natches with South Africa versus Samoa and in particular with South Africa versus Australia and to whit a referee who is culpably off side is given an award by the NZ rugby unjion.

NIce to see a South African side benefitting from a referee decision so what is the opposition squawking about?

Posted 06:30 27th April 2012

carpelone says...

RuggaMafaka

It is like football. When you do not know how to play, you become a goalkeeper. In New Zealand, if you can't play or manage a sheep farm, you become a ref.

Posted 21:43 26th April 2012