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It does crack me up when I hear everyone moaning about an ex-coaches point of view. I sit here reading comments made by people week in, week out, moaning and b*tching at each other. His views are his views. Doesn't make him a bad person, just competitive!
Supporters from every country have a different take on how the game should be ref'ed and played, so why cant a coach? Generally there are so many one eyed comments on here its unbelievable, yet, no-one considers that players and coaches have - or in the eyes of supporters, are not allowed one - but do actually have one. Woodward, Johnson, That Aussie 11, Barnes (Wayne), Fitzpatrick, Brooke, Mexted, P Divvy.............everyone has an opinion, is it bias..............of course it is, because they feel there nation is better than everyone else's and will voice that as often as they can!!!
Sometimes, you just need to take a cement pill and some H2O and harden up!
Posted 10:10 30th July 2012
It's okay though Graham, because the 2011 Aus Vs SA Quarter final was fixed in NZ's favour. Therefore at least we can say that everyone gets a turn at being world champs even if it isn't always based on honest competition.
On a serious note, if this brings a little more transparency into the way Refs officate matches then I'm 100% behind it. I don't trust every referee and the way the IRB closes ranks around them persecuting anyone who dares question their motives or ability just provides the perfect breeding ground for corruption. A lot of people must have got rich betting on Australia to win that 2011 RWC Quarter final against an in-form Springbok team. Watching Pocock kill Bok ball coming into rucks from every angle under the sun and lying all over the ball... It just smacked of match fixing. Something rotten in Denmark.
Posted 10:05 30th July 2012
Nothing is really to be gained by going over old history. yes it was amazing NZ never won a penalty in 60 minutes of play but really Graham it just reeks a wee bit of a conspiracy theory and allows all the All Black haters to come out screaming from their closet. Hansen sums it up lets move on. What happened that year brought out the worst in many NZ rugby supporters and this does not help matters. I thought it had been left behind and there are others who have suggested conspiracies in last year's RWC. I wonder if they will support Henry or denigrate him. Surely if as they claim there was a conspiracy last year then surely they will come out in support of Henry because they believe it can happen. What Im not sure about is if there was such a fixed map, is he suggesting Barnes, Kaplan and Spreadbury were involved because if he believes this then I for one just don't buy it. Sure the trio had a bad game but game fixing? Sorry Graham I just don't buy it.
Posted 10:04 30th July 2012
People comment negatively based on the caption / topic rather than the content.
What GH did is to quote statistics of a very important international match. An analyst may take his stats , compare with a set of data from other matches and justify his claims , becoz for any rugby union team to be penalized only twice over 80 minutes (let alone France) is an anomally (or bizzare as GH put it).
In addition the forwatd pass that lead to the try was blatant; a spectator sitting behind the posts would know it was forward.
The issue is , was all these reffing mistakes a poor performance of 3 people on the day or was there more sinister ??
@ contepomi: mate you should stick to rugby, assuming it is the only game you know about. Match fixing and other liaisons with bookies and underworld has been present in many of the cricket playing nations. Maybe you need to ask or google things before degrading another country or making racist remarks.
The great Aussie leggie Shane Warne was fined for association with bookmakers and also gambling during foreign tours. Ricky Ponting was fined for excessive gambling and was infact rehabilitated. Marlon Samuels of West Indies just returned from a ban for association with bookies. 5 Indian cricketers of IPL were banned during this year's tournament. Several English players have been banned / imprisoned for association with bookies. There are other players from ICC associate nations who have been banned for same issue.
In case you are wondering I am from Sri Lanka and not a single player has been ever implicated in cricket match fixing.
Posted 09:56 30th July 2012
So the mighty game of rugby cann't have match fixing? It happens in every sport I am afraid-so why not rugby?. In this game I believe it was probably just a ref promoted above his ability at the time-but who knows if there is no system to bring refs to account?
Posted 09:55 30th July 2012
@Kybone - When Henry is referring to match-fixing he's talking bout sports betting, nothing to do with the IRB. Obviously France would of been paying a lot to win the match or even to get close to the AB's.
And for the last time he isn't saying the match was fixed, he's saying that at the time he thought it was the only logical explanation as he'd never been involved in a match as bizarre as that throughout his long coaching career.
He's talking about his emotions in 07. As you would in any biography, you give a personal insight into significant events that were experienced throughout the your life time.
Posted 09:47 30th July 2012
Just confirms my opinion of NZ rugby, bad losers who expect the whole rugby world to agree that they are the best. GH should retire and keep his cry baby thoughts to himself, also please stay away from the NH we just don;t need this kind of attitude.
Posted 09:42 30th July 2012
"Ladies - Graham Henry speaks for Graham Henry, not for all Kiwis" - 2eyedkiwi
What he just said. Yes us kiwis will continue to talk about THAT forward pass until the cows come home (but arent the SA's supporters doing the same thing about a certain ref after last years world cup?) but I'm pretty sure most kiwis arent on the same wave length as Henry.
"in 1999 it was northern hemishere refs"
Ah no we played like s**t in the 2nd half and only Lomu kept us in that game, I've personally never heard that excuse before.
"so can you please fill in the reason for 2003 so we are all clear"
Sure thing, Mitchell was an idiot for having Leon Macdonald at centre, Spencer through that intercept pass, Mortlock had a blinder as did most of the aussie team.
Posted 09:34 30th July 2012
It's a little rich him banging on about the ref in 2007 when the only reason they beat France in the 2011 final was because of biased reffing!!
You win some, you lose some. Grow up GH.
Posted 09:30 30th July 2012
hayj05, food poisoning in 1995, match fixing in 2007 - what are the excuses/accusations for 1997 and 2003 - or are they still to be revealed?
Posted 09:30 30th July 2012
If that is how GH really feels then thats his call. It just goes to show that he really is as bitter and grumpy as he looks. There were obviously some bad calls during the game in question, but they were more than evened up by the bad calls in NZ favour during last years final. Sometimes things go for you and sometimes they don't. You jus have to get on with it. Throwing around accusations of match fixing is just absurd and shouldn't be done lightly as i don't think such a think could happen without the knowledge of the powers that be. Bearing that in mind, why the hell would the powers that be want NZ to lose when they're the IRB's best PR tool?
Posted 09:11 30th July 2012
@ 2eyedkiwi, you're exactly right. He's not saying there was match fixing, he's saying that he personally thought that there was at the time when they were stunned by France's win. He's not being a bad sport, he's just honestly saying how he felt at the time.
Posted 09:06 30th July 2012
Firtly the AB's did suffer from posioning in the 95 WC, it's a fact. There are witnesses & there were AB's spewing on the sidelines. Whether it was intentional or not we''ll never know. First time I've heard of complaining about the refs in 99, we know we were beaten by better sides in 91,99, & 03.
Secondly first 3 comments all ignore the stats, it's well known that in Union if you've got the ball & are attacking that generally the calls will come your way. the AB's dominated possesion & territory about as much as you could in tier 1 international match yet they recieved one of the lowest penatly counts in history (2) & didn't recieve a single penalty for the last 60 minutes.
He had every right to suspect match fixing at the time as a reasonable explanation although I'm sure Barnes was just overawed by the occasion.
@Bokbevok - I thought you'd be more understanding considering the reffing performance of Lawerance in South Africa's exit last year.
@Contempomi - It's not about the foward pass, eventhough it was a blantant one not just a touch & go one that every side will get away with on occasion & are you really that naive to think that match-fixing could only happen in Pakistani Cricket lol?
@Latin - You were there? Well conratulations... Just so you know, you get a much better few on the telly than on the sidelines & good riddance, you're obviously not a true supporter if you can't understand where Henry is coming from. He kept his mouth shut at the time & was very sporting, right up until he finished coaching & he is now releasing a biography, so why wouldn't it contain truthful thoughts?
Posted 08:48 30th July 2012
Ladies - Graham Henry speaks for Graham Henry, not for all Kiwis
Posted 08:31 30th July 2012
Are they serious?! they profit from the benefit of the doubt on forward passes frequently and they don't like it when one sneaks through against them. it's a shocking allegation, i think wayne barnes is a solid ref, this isn't pakistani cricket,
Posted 08:07 30th July 2012
So let's see kiwi foe you fine losers, you were poisoned in 1995 world, in 1999 it was northern hemishere refs, 2007 it was conspiracy by refs again so can you please fill in the reason for 2003 so we are all clear.
GH you have just tarnished your name and it is clear a really poor sport. So we're the french robbed by the same conspiracy last year as they were defo the better team in the final.
Posted 08:07 30th July 2012
NZ arrogance............france played well that day, i was there.
ABs just lost a supporter.
Posted 07:59 30th July 2012