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Can you blame the guy for the results? Not one of the Aus Super Rugby franchises were competitive. He has nothing to work with.
Posted 08:33 28th August 2012
surprised to see bob dwyer coming out in support of deans today, talking about the 22-nil/zero/nothing-at-all result .
Deans needed to look at what was going wrong and what changes needed to be made, he said. "it just means that New Zealand are a lot better". "It's not the first time, by the way, that New Zealand has been way ahead of the rest of the world."
well said bob!
Posted 05:18 27th August 2012
Australia does not have the cattle.... but perhaps more ominously, it does not have the systems in place to create and develop the cattle! It is easy to focus on the Head Coach and deride his abilities.... but that really is the cheap and nasty version.
Alan Jones was a visionary in his early coaching days... but I suspect that his record was down to the lagacy of others! Would Jake White do a better job? Well his team was undone in one match this year (against the Blues), does that make him a bad coach?
It looks as though Ewen McKenzie is waiting in the wings to become the next Head Coach... but Australian rugby will probably not rise to number one spot ever.... well certainly not until the Waratahs, Reds and Brumbies are consistently challenging for the leadership of the Super Rugby table...
Posted 03:37 27th August 2012
It's hard to soar like an eagle when you are working with turkeys - include Cooper in them turkeys!
Posted 00:36 25th August 2012
Trader2 - fantastic list of those 84 era players; my 82-86 Perth and Sydney work era and paid more attention to Wallabies then - those names are true classic remembered for the right reasons; maybe it was better in the semi-pro days in terms of player dedication? NFJ sent my father a copy of his book with a nice note inside (long story behind that). Gentlemen! Bit different to some of the players who've represented since. I have no time for Jones, nothing but self-promotion, no substance.
Posted 11:29 24th August 2012
Hardly confused Truth Hurts, I don't live there. so I just watch from a distance, listen and observe. Nationalistic sport is not my thing though, but I have reffed and played with a lot of S/H guys and they're not averse to a good whinge.
Posted 09:05 24th August 2012
Deans is a far better coach than Alan Jones ever was! Jones should be banned from speaking on the radio - what a complete tool
Posted 08:48 24th August 2012
Trinats, hes the worst coach of the Wallabies in history??
for most of his tenure, your propless bunch of windbags have been rated at number 2 in the world.
Trust me old mate when i tell you, you have had far worse ratings than that.
There was a time when the ABs did not eve bother to take the Bledisloe to games, as your lot had no show of winning it...
Posted 05:45 24th August 2012
It just kills me to agree with an egotistical windbag like Jones but agree with every word, I do. What Jones didnt mention was Deans couldnt pick a side to save his life. Before Polota-Nau was ruled out he had 8 Waratahs, 4 Reds and 2 Brumbies in his starting line up. Makes you wonder if he saw any of the Super 15 series. Was it a bad move leaving Cooper out last week or is it a bad move including him this week? Decision after decision that has experts, ex-Wallabies and the rugby community in general, shaking their collective heads. It seems like he's making it up as he goes along and this team is going no where while he's in charge. @georgesmith, the All Blacks are welcome to him but they dodged a bullet once by not giving him Graham Henry's job. I dont think they'd be stupid enough to hire him now.
Posted 05:12 24th August 2012
Further on Alan Jones and his lack of credentials as a coach and a commentator. Firstly let us remember that he failed miserably twice in an attempt to enter the NSW Parliament, both seats were as safe as houses for the Libs and Jones managed to lose both times. In 1984 he inherited a Wannabie side with some great established and future stars, Roger Gould, David Campese, Andrew Slack, Michael Lynagh, Matthew Burke, Mark Ella, Nick Farr-Jones, Topo Rodriguez, Tom Lawton Jnr, Andy McIntyre, Steve Williams, Steve Cutler, Simon Poidevin, Steve Tuynman, David Codey, Stan Pilecki, Michael Hawker to name a few. Compare that with the current crop that Dingo has to work with. Blind Freddy could have coached a championship team with those players and Jones had success for the next 3 years. By the time the 1987 WC came around he had managed to alienate just about everyone of those players in one way or another, don't take my word for it just read the bio's by some of those players. Quote from NFJ "it simply did not pay to tale Alan on - publicly or otherwise" inference he was a bully boy, you only need to listen to him on talk back radio to understand that. NFJ again after a disagreement with Jones on how best to defend the blinside from a defensive scrum "I bit my tounge but later assembled the relevant plyers, in my room to discuss the way we would do it come game day, confident Alan wouldn't recognise the difference anyway". Again from NFJ In the 1986 tour of NZ the Wannabies lost the second test and "David Campese had played badly, after the game and while Campo was in the shower Jones told the rest of the team" "Don't be too down, you played without a fullback today". It was the beginning of the end of Jones and the Wannabies WC. This man has no right or qualifications to critizise Deans or any rugby coach, let him stick to talk back, he can bully as much as he likes.
Posted 03:18 24th August 2012
Robbie has got his coaching faults. He jumped into the Australia gig with huge expectations and stamped his authority by sacking great senior players to create a new culture. What he found, and is now paying for, is that beneath the elite tier of OZ players there is a brittle underbelly of under-developed players needing a bridge to super level. He should never have let the seniors go so easily. Sharpe was one, and look at how Robbie has had to rely on him this season.
He tried to start a dynasty, something he was so accustomed to at the Crusaders, instead he should of tried to preserve the legacy left by greats such as Giteau and George Smith and incorporated them in the shape of the new era.
However, his plan did unearth some great and world-class players but they are still young and in need of inspiration from past dynasties.
Other great coaches have had this happen to them in the past and they have become great because of it. Graham Henry is a prime example with all the troubles he had with the B&L Lions and consequently Wales, he became the most winningest head coach in history. The peerless Wayne Smith is another. When he was AB head coach in 2000, the ABs played the most attractive and technical rugby the world had ever seen. His problem was that he faced the greatest Australian side ever to be assembled. Unable to win the Bledisloe, he eventually and honourably fell on his own sword in 2002 and the ABs were handed over to, ironically so, John Mitchell and Robbie Deans. Since then Wayne Smith has been the best rugby mind on the planet.
One day Robbie will come back to NZ a better coach because of all the adversity. Even a Graham Henry fan like me will be Happy when Robbie gets his next chance with the ABs, preferably after Warren G gets his chance though. I know he was a good coach when he left, i know he will be better for his Australia experience.
Posted 23:17 23rd August 2012
@ pierredelot1. Mind you Australia has lot of potential players but its sickening on the part of R. Deans that he is not picking them. In-fact totally ignoring them and undermining the Wallabbies full potential. He just has it all wrong and should do the honourable thing and save face while he still can. Enough is enough, R. Deans must return home.
Posted 21:44 23rd August 2012
yet australia are clearly the second best side in the world to a team which cant be measured.
Posted 17:31 23rd August 2012
Deans has actually done an outstanding job given the limitations: lack of a decent pool of players and of a next generation coming up and competing places, e.g., when was the last time Australia won the JWC? From memory it was the 2006 U-19 RWC (i.e. before there was the JWC). Difficult to create a world beating team without a constant supply of new talent and without a propper pack.
Posted 15:04 23rd August 2012
Alan Jones is the biggest wind bag on Oz radio, he was a crap coach who very luckily had some fantastic individuals (most of them he tried to screw over) when he coached the Wannabies. If Aussie's start believing his BS then there is no way back for them.
Posted 13:48 23rd August 2012
LOL @georgesmith are you schizofrenic ? Interesting comment can you inform me when Alan Jones was knighted ?
Still the comment from pierredelot1 takes the can. Can just here the replacement words in the old joke. " How do you know the plane is full of ockers? You can still hear the whining when the engines are turned off. " Goodbye whinging poms move over the whinging ockers have taken over.
Whilst it is curtains for Deans it is interesting that the pompous self opinionated idiot Jones is the one to climb onto the bandwagon. Still Alan we have it on good authority, namely Sitaleki Timani, that the Wallabies are not going to be nice the All Blacks on Saturday. This coming from the player who the Herald Sun predicted would terrorise the All Black pack in the opening Bledisloe Cup match. Geez that statement is almost as much a joke as Alan (I'm Brian Smith's mate) Jones.
Posted 13:19 23rd August 2012
Worst coach Australia has ever had, and he's a Kiwi. This is great dinner conversation for many years to come.
Posted 12:48 23rd August 2012
If the reason Canterbury won when he was coach was because of the All Black studded lineup im sure the Wallaby studded lineup he has now should be able to do something similar, Jones...unless...its really not the Coaches fault?
Posted 12:47 23rd August 2012
@pierredelot1, don't confuse yourself too much I live here in the UK and the Poms whinge more and worse than anyone else in the world!!!! end of...!
Posted 12:39 23rd August 2012
So georgesmith, who do you blame next time. Thats the trouble with life these days its always somebodies fault. The real question is have Australia got the players. Well they haven't got the props so the scaffoldings missing before you start building. I've always loved the term whingeing Poms because if ever an expression related to the pot calling the kettle black, whine whine etc.
Posted 11:31 23rd August 2012
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