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31st October 2011 10:14

Aurelien Rougerie at full time in World Cup Final

Dodged a bullet: Aurélien Rougerie

This week we will mostly be concerning ourselves with the RWC Final fall-out, England's brat pack problems, the overcoming of huge injustice and a small philosophical thought on refereeing...

There were two disciplinary events in the wake of the World Cup Final that show some serious flaws in the disciplinary processes - and thinking - of the IRB.

The first was this - I'd be astounded if nobody had seen already, but just in case:

Click here.

The second was made a little more public through official channels: the French response to the haka in the Final - you can also see this here:

Click here.

Guess which one got punished? The response to the haka of course...

Aurélien Rougerie has dodged a bullet, with the citing period of the post-match expiring without complaint, but at some point, certainly for transgressions like these, ought there not to be simply an automatic disciplinary hearing convened? Teams can keep it out of the disciplinary hearing by not citing, but the media has had a field day with this in the two respective countries, meaning the incident is very much in the public eye, so to speak. Does the IRB really want those considering coming to rugby to know that it's possible to stick your fingers in someone's eye without any form of censure whatsoever?

Meanwhile, the haka response fine... seriously? The Kiwis have been defensive of the haka and its associated traditions for some time now, occasionally to the point of preciousness (remember the shenanigans over when to perform it in Cardiff that resulted in the indoor haka?) but there's a good deal about it to defend, not least the right to do it at all. It is one of the game's most iconic ex-play elements, perhaps even the most iconic.

It's worth noting the IRB punishment was not for the response itself, but because - and I kid you not - the French stepped over the halfway line. They actually came - breathe deep before this one - within eight metres of the All Blacks!!!

For the IRB to tell teams not to front up to the haka, not to respond as they see fit, is ridiculous. A few decades ago, the haka looked like this.

And even in the 70s, it was hardly theatre.

But nowadays it becomes a vain-straining, eye-popping, team-firing piece of opera. There is no doubt whatsoever that, if it wasn't already there, the adrenaline level in the All Blacks is at 100 per cent post-haka. It's a huge mental boost.

So it's a touch rich, in a sport where the average top-class match inflicts the same wear and tear upon the average body as six minor car crashes, not to let the opposition get themselves a little adrenaline leg-up of their own in any manner of their choosing. Anything that doesn't involve flying fists or the risk of serious injury, just as in a game, should go.

But alas... it seems teams will now have to pay a price to create historical moments like these...Click here.


England rugby is in a titanic mess at the moment. Ousted ingloriously from the RWC quarter-finals, dogged by reports of player misbehaviour during the tournament, the national union without either long-term Chairman or CEO to receive the World Cup baton...

Yet the players show no signs of abating. In the past few days alone, we've had two England internationals yellow-carded for asinine on-pitch fouls, an anecdote about a former England player poncing around and up to training in his Ferrari, and the threat of a strike an hour before the World Cup squad announcement as a result over an argument involving the cost and control of image rights. Indiscipline, fast cars, petulant squabbling... boy oh boy.

In England more than anywhere else, the rise and rise of rugby, and the monies involved in rugby, to prominence is creating a serious sporting brat pack problem: a lot of big fit youths strutting around, so mentally bored/boxed in by their trade yet seemingly offered no way of relieving that boredom, that they'll resort to jumping off ferries, lying about nights out, abusing hotel staff and attempting to use national squad status as leverage for more perks. All for a team that can do no better than barely emerge from the weakest pool of the World Cup and then sink without trace.

The next CEO of the RFU needs to be someone with as draconian a sense of justice and as mulish a will as possible, for without that England have the potential to be a laughing stock in 2015.


Few outside of Gauteng will have cheered as loud as I as the Lions rolled their way to victory over the Sharks in the Currie Cup Final on Saturday.

The Sharks made it to second in the table behind the Lions with a Bokless squad that played some cracking rugby at times, yet found it necessary to stuff their Currie Cup Final starting XV with no fewer than seven players returning from World Cup duty.

Meanwhile, the Lions' only returning Springbok was afforded a spot on the bench.

Had the Sharks won, it would have been a monstrous mockery of the tournament; it was already a significant poke in the eye for those Sharks players who had to make way for the Final from the squad that had carried them there. It would have been an archetypal 'ringer' scenario.

Fortunately, the end result - the Lions'emphatic 42-16 victory - shows that you can load a side all you like, but you'll always struggle to beat a true team.


Finally, a word on refereeing. There've been a lot of comments recently lamenting that some rugby referees make a game all about them, that the result of the game is down to them, blah blah blah... essentially, that referees are too prominent in rugby.

A friend asked the other day: "do referees really have the capacity for such an influence on the game?"

Well, yes. In a game where a referee can award a penalty for a transgression which can - and often is - turned into three points from 50m, it's obvious that the referee will have far more an effect on the outcome of a game than, say, soccer, where points (i.e. goals) are all too rare.

It is in fact the nature of the game. So be sceptical the next time someone says 'the ref made the game all about him'. It's probably just the fact he was doing his job.

Loose Pass compiled by Richard Anderson

Comments

dedalus says...

hey Bambo ​​you're the big trolls. I read all the posts up to this and where he said he has spoken to thousands of referees of this final? In your dreams, trolls

Posted 17:44 10th November 2011

stag says...

@justice / walter mitty: i'm signing off u absolute mental case. off to india on hols. 'her' has obviously done well lately.

Posted 16:33 09th November 2011

Rosbif says...

...ungracious behaviour of ABs in the immediate post match. So once again, honours even (except Kaino robbed of player of the year!!)

Funny how it's left the IRB looking like chumps... Watch out for the lawyers.... And the next time Rougerie's on the same field as any of the ABs......

Posted 13:16 08th November 2011

Rosbif says...

Whoaaah. Hadn't read this page in a while. Guess we all agree then!! Eye gouging is wrong but it happens. Not exclusively a French disease. Refs have a hard time because laws are open to interpretation and the margins are fine indeed. Refs are human so do the best they can under immense pressure. Result stands. Everyone has their opinion. Most neutral observers, as evidenced by the world's press (who are not always experts, but who clearly help to form opinion) believe nz were best team in tournament but had to hang on for their lives in the final. France exceeded expectations (partly, surely, because those expectations had been set low after the savage press attack leading up to the final). Honours even, except Rougerie spoiled the party. Except no-one wld have known but for nz tv show. Except nz tv only looked into it to defend the apparently ungarcious

Posted 13:11 08th November 2011

stag says...

@justice: you may just choke on your own pomposity before your long overdue sectioning. Either scenario would be welcome at this stage.

Posted 12:57 08th November 2011

stag says...

Justice: as you're cut off from reality and probably the rest of society, you'll likely need a bit of help to facilitate your sectioning. Let me know if I can support, I'd be happy to....

Posted 10:21 07th November 2011

stag says...

'A statement (#1) that you are serious and will undertake this process of learning with respect and humility' - Justice: you need to get yourself seen to. You pretty much tick all the boxes for a narcissistic personality disorder - a mental illness characterized by a lack of empathy, a willingness to exploit others, and an inflated sense of self-importance.

@Bambo: I'd hold off on your statement just now. Justice might be going away for a while. They don't allow internet access where he's headed.

Posted 21:15 06th November 2011

schmidtyforpres says...

HOW DID MCCAW'S KNEE / FIST TO THE HEAD OF PARRA NOT GET MENTIONED?!!!! AGAIN PLANET RUGBY HAS IGNORED THIS AND THE PERSISTANT ILLEGAL PLAY OF RICHIE MCCAW?!!!! IS RICHIE MCCAW EDITOR IN CHIEF OF THIS WEBSITE?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Posted 18:47 06th November 2011

stag says...

Justice: Apart from having olympic levels of narcissism, general unlikeability, a burgeoning internet addiction and an unmistakeable love of your own voice what else does your shrink tell you?

Posted 21:43 05th November 2011

stag says...

@bambo: re Justice's Irish citizenship, we did lose sight of things for a spell recently. Citizenship rules were relaxed dramatically. Some offcious and deluded south african expat types managed to get themselves an Irish passport under false pretences..

@Justice: if you can send your documentation back to the Passport Office on Molesworth St, Dublin 2, confirming renouncement of your citizenship, both sides can draw a line under this sorry mess and move on. Deal?

Posted 23:39 04th November 2011

APV1 says...

@ justice_4_all - thanks!

@ Editor - any help here? I've asked a few times now and you're being remarkably silent and unresponsive. It's your article which has promoted this discussion, yet you are frustratingly leaving it to the posters to dig up the regulations / rulkes / guidleines / what-ever-it-is. Are you, with your expertise and contact, able to help?!

Posted 11:30 04th November 2011

JamieTheProp says...

Shaun Edwards for England - it is the only way! Then nobody will mess about because, if they do, they will be dropped like a stone!

Oh - and gouging should be a life ban - cited or not!

Posted 02:37 04th November 2011

coronach says...

ref's influence on the game - Wales' Warburton sent off for ti tackle, prompting many a bleat on PR. Now a word from Warburton himself from BBC today:

Wales captain Sam Warburton says referee Alain Rolland was right to send him off for a tip tackle. "The IRB [International Rugby Board] said if you lift up a player and drop him it's a red card, and that's exactly what I did," said Warburton. "I can't complain. There was no point in appealing against it and I didn't have a leg to stand on really."

Posted 00:41 04th November 2011

APV1 says...

@ justice_4_all - sadly enough, I do. I accept that I probably need to get out more, but my mum has set a curfew!! Thanks!

The reason is that I think it really comes to the crux of the IRB's fine of the French. When Ali Williams (as an example, rather then the sole perpetrator) often oversteps the 10 metre line, he is never reprimanded (to my knowledge), so why are the French?

If it's for overstepping the 1/2 way line, then surely that means they can line up ON the 1/2 way, but not cross it. If they're meant to stay behind the 10 m line, then why does nothing happen to those who cross that?

Personally, I'd prefer them toe-to-toe on the 1/2 way line as they used to, but that's just me.

Posted 16:21 03rd November 2011

APV1 says...

Editor (and / or fellow-posters)...

I have looked but can still find no actual regulation or ruling regarding which line teams must line up on to perform and / or face the Haka, Sipi Tau, Cibi or Siva Tau (have I got those correct?).

Can anyone point me in the right direction?

Posted 12:54 03rd November 2011

Rosbif says...

@ justice_4_all. hehehe, you shld change your online name to "the Peacemaker". If ever the reffing thing doesn't work out, there is surely a career for you in the diplomatic service!!

Posted 14:37 02nd November 2011

Carpelone says...

@ StunTheMullet

Agree with you. Time to move on.

New Zealand were probably the better team anyway, they would have deserved a more emphatic win in the final. Pity that it did not happen.

Posted 08:45 02nd November 2011

StunTheMullet says...

@ Carpelone - Just getting VERY sick of one eyed the whinging where both sides were given lattitude in the final to let rugby sort it out rather than a NH referee induced whistle festival.

Parras injury was obviously accidental and bad luck.

There is NO justification for eye gouging.

Posted 19:49 01st November 2011

Saint_Andre91 says...

@justice_4_all

all I can say is go and by a pair of glasses. The referee arm is raised because of a knock on consecutive to McCaw pushing Mermoz on Doussain. How could it be raised before? And I would be very interested in getting your very own definition of "the gate"? (that purely rhetorical: I could not care less) .

Fact is France lost when most experts think they should have won or at the very least been given a shot at win. Fact is NZ won which is certainly not a scandal based on their extraordinary record before this final.

What's funny is that's a complete reversal of 2007.. trust me, I heard and read much more wingeing by that time, but it was not coming from France :-)

Posted 18:06 01st November 2011

APV1 says...

@ DutchWing - yes he has (for example, have a look at 1:08 in the following clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0GIS5iJqLyw). This is similar to many other examples, but very clear in this one. Just look at the replays. I don't have an issue, I just don't understand the ruling. Is it the 10 m line? Is it the 1/2 way line? Where is the regulation, as I can't seem to find anything other than press articles?

Editor - any help here?

Posted 13:59 01st November 2011

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