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ooops. i've just read the other posts here. seems i am flogging a dead horse. everyone else has already mentioned malzieu and the scrum against the head. i shall apologise for repetition while basking in the glory of accuracy and shared memory!! Peace.
Posted 15:46 10th February 2012
Sorry Ed. I'm with JLJ on this one. Anyone recall the Malzieu try? It comes from an Italy feed to a scrum on Fra 10 metre line. How is that not one against the head? Yet the stats say 0 scrums lost by Italy. Sorry. That's just plain wrong.
As I say to my analyst at work, once one stat is wrong, and obviously so, it makes me question every other stat......
I recall 2 scrums against the head for Fra, and more than 1 lineout steal for sure.
And one of the most important stats isn't there, namely penalties conceded in own half. That would be worth showing.
Come on PR. Let's not just be cutting and pasting. You're way better than that hehehehe :-)
Posted 15:43 10th February 2012
Scrums lost - Line-outs lost:
France: 0 - 2
Italy: 0 - 1
Acctually Italy lost 1 scrum....and got a try against straight away!!! (Malzieu)
Posted 00:18 09th February 2012
Well statis do tell the storyof the games
Ireland kicked possession away and allowed Wales to run at them.and dominate [possession and territory .As the welsh pack matched the irish in pace and passion denying them turnovers.But that has been the irish game for as long asi can remember and im an old bugger now lol.SA had / have the same basic style of play
France soaked up the Italian pressure and then struck with pace and precision when oppotunities arose.Again very french and based on a good solid pack
Wales where dynamic with the ball in hand and matched the irish pack allowing their backs to make the differance Nothing new there Wales have done this for years
Scotland tried to play like Ireland and well it backfired In the set piece England had them for breakfast in the scrum and matched them in the breakdown and forced mistakes .Also when Scotland got behind them are they used to support play like NZ or Australia and know a player will be on their shoulder for the offload / pass DIDNT LOOK LIKE IT
Italy well are changing to a more dynamic game and did look good for 60mins or so with possession and territory but still need to find a cutting edge then well watch out
England well we still dont know what Englands game plan is though it looks like they are trying to move towards a style more like NZ / Austrlaia with a powerful pack .But still to early to tell imo.Maybe where a tad lucky to win but put in the tackles and gave a good defensive effort when Scotland really came at them when Laidlaw / Blair
Posted 21:36 08th February 2012
@chinstan: fairly sure that it's calculated in a way that doesn't include times when the ball is dead i.e. lineouts, scrums and kick offs.
Posted 20:18 08th February 2012
I'm pretty sure France won at least one italian scrum (and not zero as you wrote). The one that led to Malzieu's try for example, if I remember correctly.
Posted 19:44 08th February 2012
Those stats are rubbish. For instance, they say Italy didn't loose any scrum whereas Malzieu's try came from a scrum won by France, everybody could see it, just check the vids on youtube. As for the number of tackles made / missed, I've read various numbers for the same game from various sources (including French sportspaper L'Equipe) and they do not match at all.
Posted 18:52 08th February 2012
Didn't Italy lose the scrum that lead to Malzieu's try? That's also whan thay missed half their tackles!
Posted 17:09 08th February 2012
Ireland kicked away the most possession. No surprise there. Are you reading Deccie? No, ofcourse you're not.
Posted 14:07 08th February 2012
I'm sure I'm just being stupid but can someone explain the mins in possession stats to me? Surely these should add up to 80 mins but in the Eng Scot game they add up to about 59 mins who had possession for the remaining 21 mins?
Posted 13:47 08th February 2012
I've seen the England are claiming that they completed 238 tackles, why the discrepancy. Do England count every player involved in a tackle as tackle, and your stats only count tackles regardless of how many people involved/
Posted 13:03 08th February 2012
Apparently "its easy to draw conclusions from scorelines" I'm pretty sure that's the way most sports draw their conclusions as to who's best.
Stats are great for coaching analysis but all they prove to anyone else is that it takes 2 teams to make a match.
Have you checked your stats, may be splitting hairs a little on your interpretation but the official stats have England with 9 minutes in the first half and 14 in the second. Just to remind everyone the second half score 0-10.
Posted 11:54 08th February 2012