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O'Connel is a leader of that there is no dought so i cant understand why there is this clammer for him to step aside .If his still good enough he should play imo .Good leaders and motavatiors are hard to find and are worth their weight in gold Athough a changing of the gaurd will have to happen before 2015 it should be a gradual process England like Wales at the RWC are having to gamble a bit this 6 nations as we dont have class leaders as shown at the RWC atm Tindal -Moody ect just didnt lead for all their experiance while Ireland have 2 good leaders in BOD and O'Connel and experianced players everywhere .Should be an interesting 6 nations though to say the least lol.Will youth and enthusism win with Wales or England or experiance with France or ireland
Posted 18:48 11th January 2012
Ireland's 6 Nations, like the World Cup, hinges not on who is Captain, but Declan Kidney and how he handles the out half nonsense. We were beaten by Wales in the World Cup clearly because of Kidney's treatment of the out half situation, where he refused to endorse his No.1 out half. Ireland could have actually got to the World Cup final and even contended to win it (everything going their way), but for Kidney's out half debacle and possibly the fact that our best player BOD was not 100% fit where he couldn't tackle off one shoulder because of the injury (this was kept firmly under wraps)...And speaking of BOD and some of the comments here, BOD has been the most successful Irish and Leinster Captain ever, fact!
Posted 15:13 10th January 2012
Thorne was clearly the better 4 in business, the other you mentioned were good but not at the top of their performance.
For instance, Matfield in 2007 was a better player than 2011, still very influential but with lots of pauses, both in a game and during the season. He was quite rubbish during S15.
Anyway, Ireland's captaincy can be well given to him, on a single match peak performance he can be still one of the best.
Posted 17:41 04th January 2012
Brad Thorne is an enforcer and not a ball carrier and he is an exception by the way.
POC was the outstanding captain of the B&I Lions, so his leadership can not be questioned.
Just wondering how much he has still in his tank.
Posted 11:46 04th January 2012
I would not use the word dinosaur, but it would make sense to start developing somebody else as Ireland's captain.
Posted 21:43 02nd January 2012
I just don't want to see dinosaurs lined up against teams in the 6 nations. Its time to build for the next rwc and bring through the young players. I have to say Toner has had some good games lately lets see how he does. I am also interested to see when Ian Nagle is going to get a go. Ulster look like they have found a few front rower's from how they held the Leinster scrum I was impressed hopefully we can put it to use for Ireland soon.
Posted 20:34 31st December 2011
@ciaranbrk: Hear hear! Well said!
As a Leinster man, Im delighted with this decision. The only correct one at this time, in my opinion.
And now, like the rest of you, I am VERY interested in seeing his squad choice. Its time to build for the next world cup so many establised lads (O'Gara, D'arcy, O'Callaghan) should NOT be choosen.
At the very very least, Dan Thouy needs to be played with Toner on bench. Dont like Toner but hes on very good form and Dan deserves a chance to play internation he has been outstanding this season.
What does everyone else think?
Posted 06:14 31st December 2011
Yeah but O'Driscoll has botched loads of chances against France is well. We are away to France this year it wont be easy Kidney has his favorites and some of his calls are bizarre at best I mean i was so happy he droped O'leary for the RWC. I don't rate him as a scrum half perhaps convert him to wing I have to say im real impressed with Luke Fitzgerald its nice to see him back to form.O'Connell will be under some pressure this year he has to get results.
Posted 22:01 30th December 2011
Ireland's win/loss ratio when Paul O'Connell has been captain is fairly abysmal. The most significant match of note under O'Connell's leadership was when Ireland botched the chance to win the Grand Slam in 2007 by literally taking their eye off the ball against France with one minute to go on the match clock. That wouldn't have happened under O'Driscolls watch. Paul O'Connell strikes me as a captain who shouts because he wants to be heard. O'Driscoll speaks because he has something to say.
Posted 18:52 30th December 2011
Well it was never really going to be anyone else was it? Not with heaslip off form, darcy never really being a leader and no-one else in an important position with the leadership skills as a senior member of the squad...
Posted 16:17 30th December 2011
There's no excuse to pick Paddy Wallace now. Some of the younger centres have been on show this year and he can't ignore them. Hopefully the added pressure will force him to pick the young lads, but even if he does, I'm guessing Wallace will at least be in the reserves or subs or something.
Posted 14:49 30th December 2011
Posted 14:47 30th December 2011
It's always seemed to me that BOD is too quiet and tries to lead mainly through example. POC can lead just as well by example, but he does seem to be better at rousing his teammates, even during the match he is always motivating (at least, more than BOD does) and going up to the youngest players and giving them a slap on the back (as well as the rest, just the youngsters more often), etc. I've never really seen BOD doing that sort of thing (and I'm a Leinster fan and a big fan of O'Driscoll). Then again, we don't really know what happens before the game.
Posted 14:47 30th December 2011
O'Driscoll is a great captain an O'Connell has been a success at provincial and European level but he disappeared during the lions tour. I don't know if he can lead the squad we lost to England in the summer internationals at home.We should give him a shot as captain but I swear if Kidney picks Paddy Wallace at center im calling for his head.
Posted 14:35 30th December 2011
The only obvious candidate just so happens to be - along with Dusautoir - the best captain in Northern Hemisphere rugby. For some reason, despite all his medals and the acclaim that follows him wherever he goes, I have never been fully convinced by O' Driscoll as an Ireland captain. O' Connell seems to have BOD's lead-by-example mentality but exceeds him in his vocal repertoire. No better man for getting in a referee's ear neither.
Posted 13:50 30th December 2011