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Samoa sent Six Nations holders Wales crashing to their fifth consecutive loss after the visitors secured a 26-19 win at the Millennium Stadium on Friday.
It was the hosts' fourth negative to the islanders and followed Rob Howley's charges' defeat to Argentina at the same venue only one week ago.
Suddenly a November whitewash seems likely, with Wales now preparing to face New Zealand and Australia in their final Test series fixtures.
The visitors came out of the blocks firing as they looked to kick on from their impressive win over Canada in Colwyn Bay a week ago. And they managed to cross the whitewash within two minutes against the sterner opposition when number eight Taiasina Tuifua broke through a somewhat non-existent defence before recycled ball was moved wide to Paul Williams and then George Pisi, with the Northampton Saints centre sending over Faatoina Autagavaia on the right.
The impressive Tusi Pisi's conversion made it 0-7 with the match still very much in its infancy. For Welsh supporters, it was a moment of realisation, realisation that their Grand Slam champions were in for a big test of their credentials.
Leigh Halfpenny, who was on-form with the boot in Cardiff, pulled the hosts back to 3-7 with 16 minutes played after a ruck infringement and then cut matters down to a point on the half-hour. By this point Wales had been forced to make a change, as Richard Hibbard was hurt.
Despite their six points, Wales were not having things their own way but were the recipients of a gift from Pisi, with the fly-half throwing a suicide pass that Ashley Beck gobbled up and then set off for a 70 metre sprint to the whitewash. Halfpenny made it 13-7 with the extras.
The assured Pisi did reduce the arrears off the kicking tee with the last play of the first-half, which made the contest beautifully balanced at 13-10 with 40 minutes remaining in Cardiff.
After the turnaround the match continued to excite and when Kahn Fotuali'i scooted down the blindside at a ruck close to halfway to set up centre Pisi for a superb finish in the corner, the Samoans were ahead again. Fly-half Tusi could not add the extras however, and one wondered whether that missed conversion on 47 minutes would come back to hurt them.
An exchange of penalties from Halfpenny and Pisi then troubled the scorers as the lead changed hands five times during the second-half. Up 21-19, Samoa repelled a rare attack by Wales soon after, with the hosts struggling to make any real headway with ball in hand.
Instead it was Samoa who had the final say when David Lemi kicked ahead, Halfpenny and Autagavaia both missed the bouncing ball to hand replacement Johnny Leota a try late on.
Man of the match: A toss-up between the half-backs in blue. Let's go for Tusi Pisi's effort.
Moment of the match: The finish from George Pisi was something special. It had to be him.
Villain of the match: Maybe of a couple of let's say 'choice' tackles could make it in there but there was nothing major to write home about. Next up for the Welsh will be New Zealand.
The scorers:
For Wales:
Try: Beck
Con: Halfpenny
Pen: Halfpenny 4
For Samoa:
Tries: Autagavaia, G Pisi, Leota
Con: T Pisi
Pen: T Pisi 3
Wales: 15 Leigh Halfpenny, 14 Alex Cuthbert, 13 Ashley Beck, 12 Jamie Roberts, 11 George North, 10 Dan Biggar, 9 Mike Phillips, 8 Toby Faletau, 7 Justin Tipuric, 6 Ryan Jones (capt), 5 Ian Evans, 4 Bradley Davies, 3 Aaron Jarvis, 2 Richard Hibbard, 1 Paul James.
Replacements: 16 Ken Owens, 17 Gethin Jenkins, 18 Scott Andrews, 19 Luke Charteris, 20 Sam Warburton, 21 Tavis Knoyle, 22 Rhys Priestland, 23 Scott Williams.
Samoa: 15 Faatoina Autagavaia, 14 Paul Perez, 13 George Pisi, 12 Paul Williams, 11 David Lemi (capt), 10 Tusi Pisi, 9 Kahn Fotuali'i, 8 Taiasina Tuifua, 7 Maurie Fa'asavalu, 6 Ofisa Treviranus, 5 Filo Paulo, 4 Daniel Leo, 3 Census Johnston, 2 Ole Avei, 1 Sakaria Taulafo.
Replacements: 16 Ti'i Paulo, 17 Villiamu Afatia, 18 James Johnston, 19 tbc, 20 Tivaini Fomai, 21 Jeremy Su'a, 22 Johnny Leota, 23 Robert Lilomaiava.
Referee: Pascal Gauzere (France)
Assistant referees: Wayne Barnes (England), Jérôme Garces (France)
Television match official: Giulio De Santis (Italy)
By Adam Kyriacou
@PlanetRugbyAK
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makemehappy says...
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Posted 16:00 05th January 2013
7ton says...
makemehappy
Just further proof of what a complete and utter dishonest person you are
You know very well you have not answered the questions in my previous posts and you also know that I have previously asked you more than once for a time and date of this so called and "make believe" post in the Wales/Argentina thread which you claim is daft. Yet you failed to provide them which proves your talking nonsense. Neither have you accounted for your "essence of argument" gaffe of 09:20 23rd Dec.
So C'mon tell me where you have answered my question of 13:48 21st Dec. Time and date please.
Also tell me where I said I would apologize like you claim. C'mon tell me! Time and date of post please.
Posted 00:30 04th January 2013
makemehappy says...
@7ton - all points already addressed (or can't you know read). Do the decent thing - it will stop you lying. Before you do, remind me what your daft posting was on the Argentina v Wales thread LOL - every time I read it makes me laugh - how stupid is it LOL!
Posted 13:17 03rd January 2013
7ton says...
Your dishonesty is so obvious
So C'mon tell me where you have answered my question of 13:48 21st Dec. Time and date please.
Your sentence that quotes my words simply proves that I did not say I would apologize and you certainly did not prove your point.
SO TELL ME WHERE I SAID I WOULD APOLOGIZE LIKE YOU CLAIM. CMON TELL ME! . DATE OF POST PLEASE.
Those are just a couple of questions and points I have made that you have completely failed to answer and account for.
As for the reason why you call people idiots you have clearly demonstrated that the reason is because you are a very abusive person who feels you have to call people idiots for simply saying such things as not being surprised at the Wales/Argentina result. Even when they actually gave reasons.
Therefore it's no surprise that you are still avoiding your "essence of argument" gaffe 09:20 23rd Dec. which very much proves my point in the previous paragraph.
As for your comments about being polite???????? How stupid and hypocritical are you being considering all the pathetic and abusive remarks you have made. I can give times and dates if you like.
As for your so called question to me which is such a obvious diversion from the questions I have asked you. Please give the time and date of my post that you say your question refers to? I ASKED YOU TO DO SO IN MY PREVIOUS POST!!!!!!
As for the last sentence of your previous post the only thing that you have really proved time and time again is that you are clearly a abusive, dishonest, hypocritical idiot and a complete waste of time.
Posted 17:04 01st January 2013
makemehappy says...
@7ton - "As I said to you in my last post if you want to try and prove something then just go ahead but don't try to goad me into playing some silly little apology game. " - since the acceptance of the task required an apology at the end if you were proven wrong, which you were, you owe an apology. You'd have to be pretty stupid not to see that.
I have answered your only question, so what are you going on about? You must be stupid!
Now why haven't you answered my question - no covering up this time please, just be honest! You will of course look a fool eitherway.
Also you haven't addressed the lack of politeness (unlike mine) in your posts.
Also you know full well the initial issue has been covered in full. You know why I call idiots idiots!
Now stop wasting my time, apologise, admit you are wrong (as I have proved time and time again) and lets get on with proper rugby postings. I'm getting fed up of proving you are an idiot!
Posted 10:05 01st January 2013
7ton says...
makemehappy
You know very well which question.
I have told you the time and date 13:48 21st Dec and have also referred to it again and again and repeated it at 21:37 22cnd Dec AND 02:08 26th Dec. You simply do not want to answer it because you know how stupid it makes you look and it also shows how untrue the last paragraph of your latest post is.
So need I repeat it or are you going to answer it?
Your nonsense about how I should refer to some post I made earlier on is just a pathetic attempt to divert from the above and more rubbish from your tangled web of deceit. Do give me a time and date of this post. BUT DO ANSWER THE ABOVE QUESTION
Again you have avoided your "essence of argument gaffe"
You certainly have not proved me wrong about the "apology issue" and I never said I would apologize like you claim. So do TELL ME WHERE I SAID I WOULD APOLOGIZE CMON TELL ME! . DATE OF POST PLEASE
Again with the average thing you have fudged that over, twisted things, made things up that I never said and as usual tried to cover up your own gaffe.
Now do be honest and answer the above questions or keep quiet.
Let me remind you about the real issue (and this does also refer to my earlier posts) You have said nothing to convince me that you can justify calling people idiots simply for having an inoffensive view such as thinking that the Wales/Argentina game was not an upset. Nor are you likely to!
So why don't you stop wasting time and just go out and enjoy the new year. Just like I am going to do
Posted 19:38 31st December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - utter dross as usual from yourself. Which question? Surely not the 'apology' issue. I proved you wrong and you haven't apologised. As simple as that. You said you would!
I note you STILL do not refer to your posting as asked. A true sign that you know how dull your comment was, and indeed you know therefore why I'd label some people as idiots or stupid. It really is as simple as that.
Glad to see you walked into commenting on the average issue again. You obviously don't understand that 1 point wins games. Nor do you understand the use of averages by trying to add apples to oranges.
You stupidly couldn't even understand my point of the averages over 10 games, idiotically saying that a different team could have one. How can you alter an already given scenario - utterly moronic. You failed to pick up that a team had won! I really am laughing at you at the moment. A horrendous gaffe by you.
I doubt you are enjoying your holiday. You are too bitter about being humiliated by me time after time on this thread!
Very sad you at no time have tried to end this argument by extending the hand of friendship, unlike myself. You can't argue that point and I think that shows the difference between us. Even though you have been rude, stupid and arrogant I have tried to end on a positive note. You have always failed to attempt to bring the discussion to an end in a positive manner. You should take note of that and include in your new year resolutions, that you should become politer, more friendly, and keep quiet when you are having a real first class drubbing on a board such as this. It will save you a lot of pain and be very rewarding for you. Happy New Year!
Posted 13:33 31st December 2012
7ton says...
question of 13:48 21st Dec
Posted 19:43 30th December 2012
7ton says...
makemehappy
Just another typical load of rubbish from you making dishonest statements with no evidence, fudging over things and throwing in a stupid little insult
You still fail to answer my question of 13:48
You failed to respond to your "essence of argument" gaffe
As for using information like the average thing all it does is prove how close the games were and thus favours my point that you are being stupid to use such low margins to try and predict who will beat who. Another gaffe by you!
All my previous posts and evidence are there for you to see so you can remind yourself of them. You can read can't you????????? Don't expect me to waste my time. I'm too busy enjoying my holiday.
Posted 19:38 30th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - disgraceful posting and without evidence. Utterly dishonest too.
Entertain me though. Remind me of your posting on the Wales v Argentina thread and we'll discuss it in more depth.
Any particular examples of evidence that you'd like to quote. I see none given (I wonder why).
You AGAIN revert to this average issue. Why? You don't want to (but can't help discussing) and you knowing you are wrong. You need help mate. Always use the information you have available!
Posted 09:23 30th December 2012
7ton says...
makemehappy
What a complete dishonest load of rubbish.
Don't twist things! I have explained to you that you have only tried to end things by including abuse and/or declarations of right/wrong or by furthering the argument. You expect me to respect that? What a joke!
You failed to answer my question of 13:48 21st Dec. which relates to the above.
As for other information I have given, recently and previously, in this article examples that could be used to predict an outcome
As for your explanation of the average that is a fudge over and a nonsense.
One team played 3 games and one played 2. Neither played 10 and who knows what the scores would have been if they had. Therefore your example is not relevant. I have explained before why taking an average in these games with the disproportionate dividing factor and small margins is of no real significance. It is you who is embarrassing yourself.
As for my initial comments about the Wales/Argentina result I have backed those up and it's all there to see so your comments are just absolute rubbish.
Now let's have a look a look at your comment 2cnd paragraph 09:20 23rd Dec where YOU SAY THIS ABOUT YOUR ARGUMENT " for the umpteenth time that the essence of my argument and the reasons for some of my posts lie with people making comments without any evidence"
Well just look back to the Wales/Argentina article and you will clearly see that many of the posters that you called idiots have in fact given evidence as to why they were not surprised at the Wales/Argentina result. So your so called "essence of your argument" just shows how wrong you have been. It is you who has embarrassed yourself.
You have said nothing to convince me that you can justify calling people idiots simply for having an inoffensive view such as thinking that the Wales/Argentina game was not an upset. Nor are you likely to. So why waste peoples time.
Posted 12:47 29th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - You can't say I didn't try to end this matter, and yet again you try and drag this into a dispute despite me refuting all you have had to say time and time again. I tried to avoid answering to save you from further embarassment. Surely that should be respected!
As for it being the only information, I note you failed to provide any other meaningful measure. Don't feel too embarassed.
As for the average, they were low margings, but significant ones. You will find that one point wins games. If I beat you 5 v 3 for ten games in a row, your theory would still indicate that a total of 20 points is not significant. Utter rubbish and you know it. Again try not to feel embarassed.
Now if you want to raise an issue that hasn't been addressed, go back to your comment about the result of Wales v Argentina not being a surprise. The very first and utterly idiotic comment. Let me know when you have had enough of being embarassed. Let me know how dull that comment was. Let me know why you couldn't provide a response when asked about it before. Then apologise and realise how patheitic you really are. I tried ending this, but you showed you couldn't extend your hand of friendship, focussing purely on your own perceived negatives. I pity you - stupid, rude, illogical, and unable to argue.
Posted 18:41 28th December 2012
7ton says...
makemehappy
Very rich of you to say I am continuing to argue when that is exactly what you are doing!
You did not simply agree to disagree in your previous post before your last. I clearly pointed out you tried to continue the argument.
It is quite clear that either you do not understand what is an actual neutral post or you are just being downright dishonest.
As for your statement where you say this to me " If you don't wish to use information available to you that is fine. Don't make predictions without information"
Are you seriously saying that the average thing is the only bit of information available???? AND are you saying that I have never given examples of different information that can be used to MAKE PREDICTIONS ?????! IF you are! Then you are clearly being dishonest.
Do you really expect me to keep quiet, like you suggest, and not respond if you allude to me making predictions without information? You're hardly being neutral are you?
Now if you do persist in furthering the argument then please don't dodge the recent questions I have asked and in particular answer the following question.
Please explain how the average thing, considering the low margins, is of any real worth in predicting the Wales/Argentina result?
And please do not say it is the only information available because it is not
Posted 15:17 28th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - there you go again, wishing to argue, despite my efforts. If you don't wish to use information available to you that is fine. Don't make predictions without information.
I was agreeing to disagree, not entering into an argument, but you obviously want to. Now prove that you don't by keeping quiet for a change.
Now please STOP arguing.
Posted 08:28 28th December 2012
7ton says...
You're still avoiding the question
You say you are not even going to bother entering in a discussion about averages but then you go and prattle on about them to further the argument.
And that is after agreeing that it is stupid to argue over a side issue
You believe what you want but you don't speak for the vast majority and in this case taking averages are really pointless.
.How is this sample the only one available when there are many other things involved in statistics and there is plenty of other data available. Do tell me and also explain how it is wise to use these averages in predicting the Wales/Agentina result when the difference in margins are that low and there is a large imbalance in the dividing factor?
Posted 19:22 27th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - Unfortunately I saw nothing worth commenting on in your posts (that's my opinion, so entirely neutral as you clearly think there was something).
I'm not even going to bother entering into a discussion about averages as I believe the vast majority of people would agree they are useful. I disagree that the sample isn't a valid one, and given it is the only one available, it is best to use it. You are of course entitled to disagree. I simply prefer using whatever data I can obtain.
Glad you agree that arguing over a side issue is stupid, so at least neither of us will discuss that again.
Posted 08:38 27th December 2012
7ton says...
Makemehappy
Is it any surprise you have still avoided my question and your previous 2 posts were not neutral as you continued to argue that you are right over a silly little side issue which is stupid as it has no real bearing on the real issue.
As for misleading it is common knowledge that statistics/averages can be very misleading. Many Politicians use them to try and fool us all the time.
Go to http://www.twincities.com/lotterman/ci_21445304/real-world-economics-averages-are-misleading-from-taxes
The above example makes pretty boring reading so as it is the festive season and to add a bit of humour Go to
http://filipspagnoli.wordpress.com/2009/11/13/lies-damned-lies-and-statistics-21-misleading-averages/
Now in the case of your averages in my view if One team had played 10 games and the other 9 we may be able to take more meaning from the average but in this case One has played 3 and the other 2 so we can't take any real meaning from the average especially as the margins are so low and therefore the other factors I mentioned in my previous post would have to be taken into consideration.
Now I'm sure if we both sat down and had a beer we could have some fun and discuss all these other factors till kicking out time. It would be a bit more fun than tapping away at a keyboard
So if you really want to end this then simply make a neutral comment if you wish and if you want to say you simply disagree that's fine but don't try to further the argument.
A very Happy New Year to you as well
Posted 16:21 26th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7tpn - Is it any surprise given you state that this "...average thing is stupid and misleading"? We both know this not to be true, unless you wish to fly in the face of statistical opinion. By all means take into account other matters, though I would suggest being able to measure these is a good idea.
There was nothing which but neutrality in my last post. Statiscial analysis doesn't have emotion attached to it. It simply gives facts.
So let's try ending this again shall we.
So for hopefully (again) one last time - have a Happy New Year.
Posted 09:19 26th December 2012
7ton says...
makemehappy
In analysing more than one game we would want to take into account such things as the different weather/pitch conditions, different referees interpretations in allowing the game to flow and a host of other thing which may have affected the scores.
Now you keep saying that you want to end this so why do you persist in coming back putting forth a further argument yourself then insisting that I shouldn't reply other than by just making a neutral comment and now making threats as to what I should expect if I don't
Ever think that perhaps you should simply make a neutral post yourself
Now if you want to continue to argue then that's your choice but don't expect me to waste my time explaining things over and over again and before you do please answer the question I asked you on the 21 Dec "Tell me where you have ever suggested that we should "agree to disagree" WITHOUT IN THE SAME POST including abusive remarks or declarations of right/wrong"
Posted 02:08 26th December 2012
makemehappy says...
@7ton - the average thing is the only meaningful method of analysing more than one game. So not stupid. I won't say more about the other remarks, as I do want this comment to be the last one on the thread. By all means add a little something which doesn't refer to your previous comments and is neutral. If not expect a long reply addressing the points you raise. We both know its best to end this now. So wishing you well, and hope your keyboard breaks!
Posted 08:39 25th December 2012