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It's not really just having banter. In the first incident, Ashton is not involved, but goes over, shoves him, and keeps talking when Bobo is walking away. And notice when he scores the try at the end, he is celebrating with his teammates, but he sees Bobo, leaves his teammates (1.58 in the video) and goes over to taunt him. The game was over and won - there was no need for what Ashton did. Bobo had the right idea - walk away, bide your time and smash the guy when you get your chance.
I'm very much in favor of winding up your opponent, but not in this way. Anyway, you're right it's not the worst behaviour by a rugby player and it isn't the worst of Ashton's behaviour, it's just it was on Youtube. I'd consider dragging a man on his hands and knees by his hair pretty low though. And what he did to the Leicester players was bad too. I wouldn't call any of that banter.
Posted 15:52 01st January 2012
Crunchfit - just looked at your link. So he tackles a guy, they have some banter, he gets nailed by him (with the guy jeering with the crowd at him), then scores and gives him back some banter... It's not exactly the worst behaviour by a rugby player on the field is it?
Posted 18:14 31st December 2011
"90 tries for saints" ?? that has to be a record!!
In all fairness, you can't really blame him for wanting to go to a winning side...
Posted 17:31 31st December 2011
@sirtidychris. hehehe, you certainly got me on that one! I hadn't really thought through the whole personal moral fog that surrounds Mr Giggs. What a shocker.... And Becks is, as you say, a pillar of the game, Olympic buddies with Wills and Cameron, etc etc. I will need to go back to the drawing board with my future analogies :-)
Posted 11:02 31st December 2011
Watch more of Ashton. It isn't just confidence. It is pettiness, childishness, completely unnecessary levels of disrespect, big headedness, overconfidence, etc. That is not what a young star needs. I use the word "star" because of the way he has been made out by English media.
Did you see the incident vs. Leicester where two Leicester players were on the ground and Ashton started jumping, punching the air and shouting at their faces?
Did you see the Tuilagi hair pulling incident?
Did you see this?: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyJ74L1GPU4
There have been a lot more incidents, usually minor though but they are still reflective of his attitude, but those are just a few up there.
Posted 04:31 31st December 2011
Ashton obviously winds people up the wrong way and i wont convince his detractors otherwise...for me he reminds me of alot of british guys his age, he has his faults but he's young and headstrong and i don't think the flak he gets is fair.
I'm not sure about your comparison of beckham and Giggs...Giggs is a one club man united legend, beckham has been at several clubs but is an england legend.... but when it comes to personality we learnt last year who the real Giggs is and shows that staying at one club for your career doesn't necessarily make you a nice person at all...however club swapping beckham comes across as a family man while working for major charities and teaching disadvantaged kids football.
Posted 23:57 30th December 2011
@sirtidychris - there's a whole world of difference between having 'a bit of personality' and being an arrogant, petulant child that pulls hair. It might be a different story if he was the best winger in the world, but he isn't; I'd take several other players, some of them English, ahead of him at the moment. I don't expect players to live like monks but I, and we, should expect them to not pull hair, not make lewd suggestions to women that don't welcome the attention and above all, actually play for the team, not for themselves. Ashton currently doesn't tick any of the required boxes.
Posted 22:25 30th December 2011
shton has a lot to thank Northampton for and Jim Malinder .I wonder how he will fit in with his mate already there at Sarries and i wonder if he will make him look as good as Ben Foden does. Support for Ashton at Saints has been very good both coaches and Crowd as he will find playing in front of a 7, 8 thousand crowd a let down although Wmbley and twickers rent a crowd may make up for it.
The money floating about with Sarecens has to come under investigation as the wage cap is a joke and i believe Saracens are loosing money and are looking to the RFU ?after them claiming the whole Premiership is in deubt to the tune of £25 Milion most of that deubt is Sarries i shouldnt wonder.
Posted 19:01 30th December 2011
Hmmm. In the same week as Jauzion and Poitrenaud stay at Toulouse to play with Medard and Clerc for a 12th? year.... Ashton should ask Beckham how he feels when he sees Giggs and Scholes still at United, revered by fans, grand old men of the club. And still pretty well-off too. Yes, money is part of life. But beyond a certain amount (and all these top players earn plenty to get by) feeling "valued" is not about the money.
Worse-case scenario for the man? He leaves Saints this summer. Switches clubs a few more times in next 3 years. Sadly, never regains his early pomp. Loses favour with England set-up. Moves to Super Rugby for a few seasons with Cipriani and Henson, maybe for one of the new Argentine franchises. Gets rich in the process. Comes back to UK for one last season in league where his tired body gets smashed. Is not remembered much in 10 years time in rugby circles. Does not become a Damian Hopley or a Sky commentator! Roll-on 2020 and we might see him on Strictly, or in the jungle with Ant & Dec who are still together after all these years.....raking in the readies....
Posted 17:42 30th December 2011
Just to clarify i meant over the history of the six nations he has scored the equal most tries in any one tournament.
This thread supports what i was saying that he is very disliked by the public, Americans celebrate personality in their sports stars however English fans don't like to see any arrogance, just down to earth, clean cut, humble saints like wilkinson...however the best sports stars often use that arrogance to be successfull and give them that extra edge... such as many great tennis players, sprinters and boxers. In the new age of rugby media we need a player to play well, then we need to like them as a person based on how there image is portrayed in the newspapers and during 80minute windows of professional sport.
Its funny cause hes a young lad with a bit of personality and we hate him for it, maybe we all would be happier if his celebrations were limited to just the 'tiger' tim henman fist pump and total absinance from alcohol and banter off the pitch.....cause thats obviously how we all live our lives !!!
Posted 16:39 30th December 2011
I think this comment says it all really:
"We'll shake their hand and we'll get players who want to play for Northampton."
Obviously, things are not well between Ashton and Northampton.
Posted 14:42 30th December 2011
For me, it doesn't matter how much talent he has, it doesn't make up for his generally bad attitude. From hair-pulling, to generally niggly play (he makes most back-rowers look positively angelic), to those celebratory dives and then accusations of sexual harassment, he's not the sort of player I want near any team I support at the moment, England or otherwise.
Posted 14:42 30th December 2011
He isn't one of the best. Examples as to why can be found in this thread and in the recent match reviews (just before Ashton was banned). His attitude, defensive ability, tries he has cost his team that your average winger would stop, etc. are all discussed there. And those try scoring stats are very misleading (and he was top try scorer last year in the 6N, not overall). You need to check who he scored against and the teams he didn't. It is very telling.
If he fixes his attitude and defense, he could be the best winger in the world. But right now, he's not even close.
Posted 14:41 30th December 2011
needs to get his act together, he is a very fine player, and it is fair enough wanting to get the highest price for your skill but his behavior, if this article is to be believed, is consistently petulant and immature; on and off the pitch.
I can't see why on form he'd be in the EPS at the moment, there are a lot of good England back three players at the moment and his starting berth is under threat.
As an aside, surely Sarries are pushing the salary cap? Or must some of their younger players (the Goode's, Saull's, Farrell's etc.) still be on relatively low contracts? Their squad appears to get stronger and stronger without loss...
Posted 13:04 30th December 2011
Chris Ashton is one of the best wingers in the world, breaking the national league division one try scoring record, premiership player of the season in 09/10, equal all time six nations try scorer, equal highest try scorer in this years RWC (in a team that never got going). People dislike ashton and try say he isn't that good but he has an ability to score tries like no one else.
Now the fact that he wants to move clubs will be used as a stick to beat him with however he is a professional sportsman with about 7 years left to make as much money to set himself up for the rest of his life. He wasn't a northampton academy player he was a league boy with Wigan... although he owes the club for developing him, they owe him for all the tries he's scored. If you get offered a great job for a top company with much better pay you would be a fool not to take it...especially if your young and its near to a place as diverse and exciting as London.
Posted 10:30 30th December 2011
No it looks like Ashton's agent has approached Mallinder with the 'give me more or i go' attitude. At the end of the day Its a short career and you've got to put yourself first and foremost. Hes a great winger and a lot of clubs will be looking to sign him.
Posted 10:22 30th December 2011
Jediboy is right. Recent Ashton foul ups include
- feeble effort to stop Clerc scoring in RWC 1/4 which was a major contribution towards Eng's demise
- knocking ball on versus Scarlets in HEC and then simply standing around and admiring as Priestland scored the try that effectively ended Saints' campaign
- more 3rd rate defending as Smith runs over him to score a try for Tigers
Showpony dives begin to look pretty dumb when you commit so many howlers elsewhere.
Posted 09:10 30th December 2011
Looks like Ashton has approached Mallinder with the 'give me more or I go' attitude and Mallinder has said fine then you can go because reading this it sounds like the two have had some sort of disagreement...Ashton is an idiot if he's looking to move elsewhere though, Ben Foden makes him look good and anybody with a fair bit of gas can easily fill the role he does...Elliot has already proved himself more than capable of scoring, artemyev is wonderfully quick anyway and Noah Cato will probably be looking forward to his chance to get in the side...not to mention we still have diggers and Anders modgensen (or whatever his name is) coming through the wanderers...
Posted 09:08 30th December 2011
I'm a Saints fan and despite his try scoring abilities I won't be sorry of he goes.
I think the 'fame' has gone to his head and he's getting into the mindset that he's bigger than the club. No player is bigger than the club.
No doubt he's a fantastic try scorer, but his defence is weak and his attitude poor when things don't go his way.
With the likes of Artymiev and Elliot Saints have some good new wingers. So I think Saints will do fine without Ashton.
I hope that wherever he goes he sorts out his defence and improves his overall attitude, but I won't miss him.
Posted 08:32 30th December 2011
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